The Lebannon Crisis

[SizarieldoR]

Yea, pretty uncool. Why did the jews invade, anyway, Husbullah? Land? I think they pretty much ruined their image in the face of the world.

[TheBlackWizard]

Either Isreal's just plain dumb, or Nasrallah's just plain smart...


Anyway, as a muslim watching these events unfold from the sidelines, Isreal, it seems, is putting itself into that position in which it's like that character you see in a book in which you'd love to hate. The country has the best military out there, yet it preys upon innocent Lebanese civillians. Hezbollah isn't much better, mind you, but it's missiles aren't guided, which means it isn't targeting any Isreal settlements or such.


The roles have been switched. Hezbollah seem to be the good guys and vice versa for Isreal.

[SizarieldoR]

The only thing that will come out of there for certain is more Muslim Fanatics.





Erurainon, let's watch what we say, alright. Let's not post something that may be offensive.

EDIT: Yea, one of the reason I dislike... Baaah, I may insult them. better not say my opinion

Thank you.

[Majimaune]

There has been a truce placed by the U.N. but how long it will hold is a different question.

[TheBlackWizard]

I doubt it will last.

[SizarieldoR]

admin said:

I doubt it will last.

Me 2. The fighting will go on, but unofficial.

[barlimanbutterbur]

sizarieldor said:

Yea, pretty uncool. Why did the jews invade, anyway, Husbullah? Land? I think they pretty much ruined their image in the face of the world.

First, "Jews" gets capitalized, don't be insulting. Second, the Jews did not "invade" anyone. They retaliated when Hezbollah sent rockets into Israel.

They were defending themselves. Hezbollah is not a country, as you seem to imply. It is an organization backed manly by Syria and Iran. The Lebanese didn't want this war any more than did Israel.

Get this firmly in mind: Israel is defending itself. It didn't start any of this. And in defending itself, it doesn't have the luxury of worrying about it's "image in the face of the world."

And to Black Wizard — I reiterate — Israel isn't "preying" on anyone, it's defending itself. Israel didn't start this.

Barley

[taran]

Actually, the British started this.

Now this might be going a bit off, but it was the Brits who made the Balfour declaration back in the 40's to give the Jews a homeland that is really the root of this problem. In 1948, when Isreal was established, it was because the British and the allies felt guilty due to the holocaust and how they had let it happen by not helping the Jewish people beforehand, and not believing the stories.

They, of course, wanted to put things right--ignoring the fact that the Palestinians already lived there.

And thus the whole mess began.

I've found the situation is far more complicated than people make it out to be. Lebanon is in such a mess right now, with Syrian control and palestinian fighters flooding in at all points, and then Israel came in again.

Because Lebanon would not halt the members of Hezbollah from sending rockets in, Israel felt it had to do things itself. As in any modern war, though, it is not Hezbullah who suffers, but Lebanese civilians.

I think, perhaps, we should say "Israeli" on this thread instead of "the Jews", because there are many Jews in the world and not all of them support Israel's actions. Even then...generalizing people into such groups is unfair.

I think, though, we can all agree on one thing: The Holy Land is a mess, has been a mess since 1948, and will be a mess until everyone agrees on something.

[SizarieldoR]

barlimanbutterbur said:

First, "Jews" gets capitalized, don't be insulting. Second, the Jews did not "invade" anyone. They retaliated when Hezbollah sent rockets into Israel.

They were defending themselves. Hezbollah is not a country, as you seem to imply. It is an organization backed manly by Syria and Iran. The Lebanese didn't want this war any more than did Israel.

Get this firmly in mind: Israel is defending itself. It didn't start any of this. And in defending itself, it doesn't have the luxury of worrying about it's "image in the face of the world."

And to Black Wizard — I reiterate — Israel isn't "preying" on anyone, it's defending itself. Israel didn't start this.

Barley

First, you will find me rather careless about capitalizing stuff,
Second, I do not imply Hezbollah is a country, and
Third, it's a pity that lebanese civillians are between the middle, but as said in a quote from i-dont-know-who-because-i-am-not-a-walking-library-:-) "In the war of interests, it is people who die"

[Majimaune]

Any one knwo if the truce is still holding?

[barlimanbutterbur]

taran said:

Actually, the British started this.

Now this might be going a bit off, but it was the Brits who made the Balfour declaration back in the 40's to give the Jews a homeland that is really the root of this problem. In 1948, when Isreal was established, it was because the British and the allies felt guilty due to the holocaust and how they had let it happen by not helping the Jewish people beforehand, and not believing the stories.

They, of course, wanted to put things right--ignoring the fact that the Palestinians already lived there.

And thus the whole mess began.

Yes, you're right, going back to 1948. And, at that time, none of the surrounding Arab countries wanted to take in the Palestinians (which I believe they should have done), which contributed even more to the present problem.

Barley

[TheBlackWizard]

I meant what Erurainon said, although Isreal may be defendind itself, Lebanese civillians are still dying.


I'm noticing the beginnings of a Flame war starting to brew. Please folk, let's share some common courtesy.

And as for what you said Taran, you took the words right out of my mouth. I'm no historian, but I did know that Palestine's original homeland got annexed and latter became Isreal, but unfortuanately, I didn't think it was the Brits who started it.

[taran]

No problem. I'm going into History for university, and it's always been an interest of mine.

I think what's really sad here is that once upon a time Lebannon was considered one of the most beautiful places in the world. The bible extolled the beauty of the "Cedars of Lebannon." It was, at one time, a very nice place.

Now look what's happened to it.

People dying. Hezbullah usining it to fire rockets into Israel and kill civilians. Israel invading it to get rid of Hezbullah and killing more civilians. Syrians not letting the Lebanese make their own choices and thus causing greater destruction.

Neither lebannon nor Israel wanted this war. And, perhaps, if everone just left Lebannon on its own...all these people from everywhere else, it could be restored.

Simply: Lebannon ain't what it used to be.


This topic has strong feelings attached to it, and it's pretty much guerenteed to teeter over the edge if everyone doesn't keep civil. I've already got my asbestos suit and hose in the back, just in case...

[Majimaune]

Is the truce still holding? I havent heard anything this week.

[taran]

The Israelites just launched a rocket attack on shipments of arms coming in from Iran and Syria today. So it seems Israel has broke the truce, and if it doesn't admit it, the opposition will renounce the truce and war will start anew.

*Sigh*